The Conversation -- October 6, 2024
Katie Rogers of the New York Times: "For the first time, Vice President Kamala Harris dismissed criticism from some Republicans that she does not have biological children.... In an appearance on the podcast 'Call Her Daddy,' which is popular with Gen Z and millennial women, Ms. Harris discussed reproductive rights and economic issues. She addressed comments from Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the governor of Arkansas, who recently suggested that having biological children helped with her humility -- a virtue she implied Ms. Harris lacked.... When the conversation turned to attacks by Republicans against 'childless cat ladies,' Ms. Harris called the criticism, popularized by past comments by Senator JD Vance of Ohio ... 'mean and meanspirited.' Ms. Harris referred to her stepchildren, Cole and Ella Emhoff, as her children.... The 'Call Her Daddy' interview was part of several appearances that Ms. Harris will make this week with news outlets and niche podcasts or radio shows.:
Kellen Browning of the New York Times: "Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota fielded tough questions on abortion, immigration, the economy and his own past misstatements in an interview on 'Fox News Sunday,' that was mainly noteworthy because it was his first appearance on a Sunday news program since becoming Vice President Kamala Harris's running mate. He turned some questions into critiques of ... Donald J. Trump and sidestepped others. Asked whether Israel had the right to strike Iranian oil facilities or nuclear facilities, he did not directly answer.... Confronted by a series of misstatements he has made -- including on China, where he traveled in August 1989, and indicating he and his wife had used in vitro fertilization when they in fact used a different fertility treatment called intrauterine insemination -- Mr. Walz acknowledged that he sometimes misspeaks."
Daniel Dale of CNN fact-checks "Six Days of Trump Lies about the Hurricane Helene Response.... Donald Trump has delivered a barrage of lies and distortions about the federal response to Hurricane Helene. While various misinformation about the response has spread widely without Trump's involvement, the Republican presidential nominee has been one of the country's leading deceivers on the subject. Over a span of six days, in public comments and social media posts, Trump has used his powerful megaphone to endorse or invent false or unsubstantiated claims. The chief targets of his hurricane-related dishonesty have been Vice President Kamala Harris ... and President Joe Biden."
Mariana Alfaro of the Washington Post: "House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) wouldn't acknowledge Sunday that Joe Biden won the 2020 election when asked directly about the election denialism that ... Donald Trump continues to promote on the campaign trail. During a testy exchange on ABC News's 'This Week,' host George Stephanopoulos asked Johnson if he could say 'unequivocally that Joe Biden won the 2020 election and Trump lost.' Johnson declined, saying only that 'this is the game that is always played by mainstream media with mainstream Republicans. It's a gotcha game.'... In the immediate aftermath of the 2020 election, Johnson led a congressional effort to overturn the presidential results in four battleground states.... Johnson was also among the Republicans who, on Jan. 6, 2021, voted against certifying the electoral college vote for Biden in two key battleground states.... Johnson's comments Sunday may draw scrutiny about what he might do between Election Day on Nov. 5 and Congress's certification of the vote on Jan. 6 if Trump does not win in the electoral college."
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Presidential Race
Problem Solver. Reid Epstein of the New York Times: "Vice President Kamala Harris met with North Carolina and federal emergency officials on Saturday in Charlotte as she continued to help oversee the disaster response in the Southeast after Hurricane Helene. Ms. Harris participated in a storm response briefing at a North Carolina Air National Guard base at Charlotte's airport, where she was joined by Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina and Mayor Esther Manheimer of Asheville, N.C., which was particularly hard-hit. The vice president praised local officials and residents for their response to the storm.... The vice president's office said 74 percent of those who reported losing access to electricity during the storm have had it restored. The Federal Emergency Management Agency, which is overseeing the federal response, has more than 700 people in North Carolina, Ms. Harris's office said.... In addition to reviewing the official storm response, Ms. Harris visited a volunteer center, where she briefly joined them making packages of donated necessities -- including things like canned food, formula, diapers and flashlights -- for North Carolinians stranded by the storm." ~~~
~~~ Marie: Perhaps the reason we didn't see Trump doing anything menial like packaging relief supplies he pretended to donate is that he never mastered a grunt job like the one Harris held at McDonald's. Or maybe he's just too old & feeble to lift canned goods & flashlights. Oh, and the only way we'll ever see him fording a flooded street in search of storm victims is if some fan Photoshops his fat head onto an actual rescuer's body. (See below.)
Part of the Problem. Marie: Here's one of a number of fake photos of Trump's "rescue efforts" in hurricane-devasted zones. People really think Former President* Narcissist P. Sociapath is risking his own life struggling through knee-deep floodwaters to save his fellow citizens in distress:
~~~ Maxine Joselow, et al., of the Washington Post: "Across the Southeast, false rumors and conspiracy theories are flying about [Hurricane] Helene, which ... [has caused] at least 229 deaths in six states. The misinformation is adding to the chaos and confusion in many storm-battered communities, including many rural areas that lack power and cell service, leading locals to rely on word of mouth.... In places with internet access, such falsehoods have flourished on social media platforms such as X. The tech company has pulled back on efforts to combat misinformation after its takeover by billionaire Elon Musk, prompting concern from many disaster experts.... The Federal Emergency Management Agency has been updating a webpage seeking to dispute common rumors, while the North Carolina Department of Public Safety has done the same....
"Donald Trump has amplified the false claim about [FEMA money being spent on undocumented] migrants during campaign rallies and on his platform, Truth Social. And Mark Robinson, the embattled Republican nominee for governor of North Carolina, has repeatedly alleged that there has been no state government response to Helene, even though [Gov. Roy] Cooper [D] has traversed the affected areas, visiting emergency operations centers and meeting with storm survivors.... North Carolina state Sen. Kevin Corbin, a Republican, slammed the rampant misinformation Thursday in a Facebook post, tagging several GOP colleagues.... Musk, whose 200 million X followers make him [X's] most influential user, sent at least 12 posts Friday amplifying criticism of the Biden administration's response to Helene, much of it based on false or misleading claims."
Michael Gold & Maggie Haberman of the New York Times: "Donald J. Trump returned to Butler, Pa., on Saturday for a massive rally at the fairgrounds where he was struck in July by a would-be assassin's bullet.... His speech quickly swung from a somber commemoration of the slain firefighter, Corey Comperatore, to a somewhat subdued, sanded-down version of his standard attacks on his opponent, complete with exaggerations and falsehoods. Mr. Trump commended his own performance in the face of adversity and brought out one of his biggest backers, the billionaire Elon Musk, who jumped up and down on the stage." The Guardian's report is here. ~~~
~~~ Ryan Mac of the New York Times: "Elon Musk, the billionaire head of Tesla and SpaceX, strode onto the stage to cheers at Donald J. Trump's rally on Saturday night, lifted his arms above his head and jumped into the air -- twice -- exposing his navel as his shirt rode up.... Mr. Musk publicly endorsed Mr. Trump in the minutes after a gunman tried to kill the former president on July 13 in Butler, Pa., in a post on X, the social media platform he owns.... 'President Trump must win to preserve the Constitution,' Mr. Musk said, after bounding to the mic with his hands in the air. 'He must win to preserve democracy in America.... The other side wants to take away your freedom of speech,' Mr. Musk said at the rally. 'They want to take away your right to bear arms. They want to take away your right to vote, effectively.'" MB: Musk's ability to turn reality on its head is quite impressive.
And what to my wondering eyes should appear, momentarily at least, at the top of the main page of the online New York Times: ~~~
⭐ ~~~ Peter Baker & Dylan Freedman of the New York Times: "... Mr. Trump has seemed confused, forgetful, incoherent or disconnected from reality lately. In fact, it happens so often these days that it no longer even generates much attention. He rambles, he repeats himself, he roams from thought to thought -- some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished, some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. He digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own 'beautiful' body. He relishes 'a great day in Louisiana' after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that North Korea is 'trying to kill me' when he presumably means Iran. As late as last month, Mr. Trump was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden, five weeks after his withdrawal from the race....
"According to a computer analysis by The New York Times, Mr. Trump's rally speeches now last an average of 82 minutes, compared with 45 minutes in 2016. Proportionately, he uses 13 percent more all-or-nothing terms like 'always' and 'never' than he did eight years ago, which some experts consider a sign of advancing age. Similarly, he uses 32 percent more negative words than positive words now, compared with 21 percent in 2016, which can be another indicator of cognitive change. And he uses swearwords 69 percent more often than he did when he first ran, a trend that could reflect what experts call disinhibition.... The Times analysis found that Mr. Trump speaks at a fourth-grade level...." Worth a read.
Katie Rogers of the New York Times tells you everything you might want to know -- and more -- about Melania's "memoir." (Also linked yesterday.)
Maureen Dowd of the New York Times: "Vance's performance was chilling. Once I thought Trump would be an aberration for Republicans. But on Tuesday night, I saw the future of the party and it was lies piled on lies, and darkness swallowing darkness." (Also linked yesterday.)
Marie: RAS links to an interesting post by Steve M. on JD Vance & his promoters at the NYT. The post is particularly interesting to me because Steve saw what was going on in real time, and -- even though I was paying attention to politics then -- JayDee was completely off my radar. (Also linked yesterday.)
Hitler plans to open a restaurant in Springfield, Ohio. Thanks to Forrest M. for the link: ~~~
Annie Karni of the New York Times: "Representative Eli Crane, a first-term Republican from Arizona, has been everywhere that will have him, promoting conspiracy theories about the assassination attempts against Mr. Trump, despite all evidence that such theories are false. And far from sidelining or attempting to silence him, Republican leaders have given him a prominent platform to air his outlandish claims at the highest levels.... Mr. Crane, a tattooed former member of the Navy SEALs and a onetime contender on 'Shark Tank,' now is part of a different type of reality show.... He has ... established a reputation for extreme language and tactics.... Mr. Crane's efforts have received a major boost from the right-wing media echo chamber, making him all but impossible for the Republicans on the official task force to ignore. So instead of trying to quiet him, House Republicans have accommodated him." MB: Nice try at crazy, Eli, but still more plausible than "'they' control the weather." (Also linked yesterday.)
Donald's Site, Where Scammers Go to Scam. Matt Novak of Gizmodo: Donald Trump's failing social media site cynically named Truth Social "has ... been flooded with scammers who are swindling users out of enormous sums of money. We're talking about people who've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in a relatively short period of time.... Truth Social seems to be a target-rich environment for people who are easy to con.... Complaints filed with the FTC ... seem to involve plenty of elderly fans of Donald Trump.... The scams happening on Truth Social appear to be most commonly pig butchering, a method of gaining someone's trust while getting them to give you increasingly large amounts of money, all while making it seem like the victim is making wise investments." The story includes summaries of multiple complaints made to the FTC. Thanks to RAS for the link.
Adam Liptak of the New York Times takes a look at the Supreme Court's docket for its upcoming term, which begins Monday. "... the docket is, for now at least, back to a sort of normalcy, promising decisions that will produce sharp divisions among the justices and ripple through American life but fall short of producing the titanic societal shocks of recent years.... The coming months may also bring voting disputes that could decide the presidential election."
Linda Greenhouse of the New York Times: "The most important decision the Supreme Court's justices will make in the new term that begins on Monday transcends the questions presented in any of its many cases. It is whether the court will resume or refrain from injecting itself into the country's culture wars.... Dozens of religion cases are making their way through the federal and state judicial systems, many filed by plaintiffs with the Supreme Court in mind." Greenhouse opines that the Court -- and some lower-court judges -- has moved from what she once called "grievance conservatism" to "grievance Christianity."
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Colorado. Who Could Have Predicted This? Amy Hanson of the AP: "A rural Colorado county courthouse beefed up security Friday after threats were made against staff and a judge who sentenced former county clerk Tina Peters to nearly nine years behind bars and admonished her for her role in a data breach scheme catalyzed by the lie that the 2020 election was stolen from ... Donald Trump. Courthouse staff in Grand Junction, Colorado, received multiple threats that were being vetted by law enforcement while extra security was provided, said spokesperson Wendy Likes with the Mesa County Sheriff's Office." (Also linked yesterday.)
Idaho. AP: "Tensions rose during a bipartisan forum this week after an audience question about discrimination reportedly led an Idaho state senator to angrily tell a Native American candidate to 'go back where you came from.' Republican Sen. Dan Foreman left the event early after the outburst and later denied making any racist comments in a Facebook post.... In his Facebook post, Foreman called the incident a 'quintessential display of race-baiting' and said the Democratic attendees made personal attacks and 'proclaimed Idaho to be a racist state.'... He did not respond to a voice message from The Associated Press seeking comment." (Also linked yesterday.) ~~~
~~~ Which is worst? (a) A state senator is a blatant racist. (b) A state senator is incredibly stupid. (c) People voted for this guy.
New York. Trip Gabriel of the New York Times: "David Burnham, a former investigative reporter for The New York Times whose exposé of corruption in the New York City Police Department in 1970 led to public hearings; tarnished top officials, including the mayor; and inspired the movie 'Serpico,' about Mr. Burnham's chief source, Detective Frank Serpico, died on Tuesday at his home in Spruce Head, Maine. He was 91."
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Israel/Palestine, et al.
The New York Times' live updates of developments Sunday in Israel's wars are here: "The Israeli military carried out airstrikes in the Gaza Strip early Sunday and signaled that it was stepping up operations in the enclave as it pressed on with its campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon.... Early on Sunday, the Israeli military issued evacuation orders for the vast majority of northern Gaza, saying this was in preparation for 'a new phase' in the war. That came hours after Israeli warplanes attacked Jabaliya, in the northern part of the enclave.... The military also said that it had struck a mosque and a school-turned-shelter in the central Gaza city of Deir al Balah overnight."
Liam Stack, et al., of the New York Times: "... Israel escalated its fight against Hezbollah in Lebanon on Saturday.... Israeli strikes appeared to hit the Dahiya, an area south of Beirut, where Hezbollah holds sway and where the Israeli military late on Friday again issued evacuation warnings for civilians.... Fighting expanded across the region, with the United States Central Command striking Iranian-backed Houthi militants in Yemen and Israeli forces warning residents in two areas in the central Gaza Strip to evacuate, presumably in preparation for stepped up military action there...."
Niha Masih, et al., of the Washington Post: "French President Emmanuel Macron urged countries to stop providing weapons to Israel for its war in the Gaza Strip and expressed concern that the civilians of Lebanon could face a similar fate as those in Gaza.... France itself, Macron said, was not delivering any weapons.... Macron said Lebanon should not be allowed to 'become a new Gaza.'... At a summit for francophone leaders in Paris on Saturday, Macron appeared to take a jab at the United States, by far Israel's largest supplier of weapons: 'If we call for a cease-fire, consistency is to not provide weapons of war,' he said. 'And I think that those who provide them cannot every day call for a cease-fire alongside us and continue to supply them.'" MB: That does seem logical, doesn't it?
News Ledes
New York Times: "Two boys have been arrested and charged in a street attack on David A. Paterson, a former governor of New York, and his stepson, the police said. One boy, who is 12, was charged with second-degree gang assault, and the other, a 13-year-old, was charged with third-degree gang assault, the police said on Saturday night. Both boys, accompanied by their parents, turned themselves in to the police, according to Sean Darcy, a spokesman for Mr. Paterson. A third person, also a minor, went to the police but was not charged in the Friday night attack in Manhattan, according to an internal police report.... Two other people, both adults, were involved in the attack, according to the police. They fled on foot and have not been caught, the police said. The former governor was not believed to have been targeted in the assault...."
Weather Channel: "Tropical Storm Milton, which formed in the Gulf of Mexico on Saturday, is expected to become a hurricane late Sunday or early Monday. The storm is expected to pose a major hurricane threat to Florida by midweek, just over a week after Helene pushed through the region. The National Hurricane Center says that 'there is an increasing risk of life-threatening storm surge and wind impacts for portions of the west coast of the Florida Peninsula beginning late Tuesday or Wednesday.'"
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For a Sunday morning laugh: Hitler Opens a Restaurant in Springfield
Ohio:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qiGoTZSwEdA
In the local paper this weekend: "Changing Times"
A gentle sermon.
Dan Evans, three term Republican governor of Washington State died last week at the age of 98. When I read the notices of his passing, I was surprised by the great sense of loss I felt. Why, I wondered, did I suddenly miss a man I hadn’t thought about in years?
Thinking about Evans’ life now, I can’t help but reflect on how much our politics have changed since his years as our state’s governor (1965-1977), then one of our Senators, and later as the president of The Evergreen State College.
I know nostalgia is a temptress, not always to be trusted. When we wish things to be better than they are, desire often paints a past shorn of everything unpleasant. Did Dan Evans, a Republican, really accomplish all those things that most of today’s Republicans would reject out of hand? And after he replaced a two-term Democrat in the governor’s mansion, did Washington voters really reelect him twice?
In fact, he did, and they did. It was a very different time. Trained as an engineer, Evans viewed the world as a succession of problems begging solutions. Stripped of nostalgia’s glow, Evan’s world had its problems too. Even sixty years ago, he saw Washington’s environment under a strain and acted accordingly. His administration conceived and created Washington State’s Department of Ecology, which became the model for Nixon’s federal Department of the same name. Later, as a Senator, he sponsored legislation creating more than one and a half million acres of wilderness in the Olympic, North Cascades, and Rainier National Parks.
Evans was always focused on the road ahead. After college he applied the knowledge and discipline provided by his education at Seattle’s Roosevelt High School and the University of Washington to his work as a structural engineer. His education was about designing and building things for tomorrow, and his faith in the forward-focus of education never wavered. During his tenure as governor, Washington systematized the state’s community and technical colleges, making them the responsibility of the state, not of local school districts, and founded The Evergreen State College in Olympia. For Evans, education was always key to our children’s and Washington's future.
Evans was an engineer with a heart. When other states turned Vietnamese refugees away, he anticipated a future of war-induced immigration by welcoming them to our state. As a Republican governor, he signed a state law allowing abortions up to sixteen weeks, and because his fiscal conservatism had egalitarian roots, he also proposed a state income tax.
Seen through the lens of the present, Governor Evans’ life and career are hard to believe. I wonder what a man who respected science and sanity would have thought about his party now. During the week of Evans’ death, the federal Department of Ecology’s Inspector General issued a report concluding that during the Trump administration three Department scientists suffered workplace retaliation for their findings that some new chemicals were not as safe as the administration wanted them certified to be (propublica.org). So much for science.
In today’s Republican minds, truth is at a premium. Recent survey results confirm that Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to believe claims that are manifestly untrue. Presented with two false statements about immigrants--“that immigrants are driving a surge in violent crime and that they are taking jobs, spurring an increase in unemployment among native-born Americans”-- few Democrats believed them, but a “large majority” of Republicans did (washingtonpost.com). So much for sanity.
It’s hard to imagine a no-nonsense, problem-solving Dan Evans having much patience with a party that actively rejects science and reason, is suspicious of immigrants, and swallows lies whole.
Was Dan Evans some kind of aberration? Not really. Only sixty years ago, the Republican Party had two wings, a progressive element that followed in the steps of Theodore Roosevelt, the president who busted the trusts and founded the U.S. Forest Service, and the Nixon-led conservatives who promoted big business and encouraged cultural and racial divisions. Dan Evans was one of the former.
Nor was he alone. His Oregon colleague, another Republican, Governor Tom McCall (1967-1975), shared both the Pacific Northwest geography and Evans’ environmental concerns, successfully championing shoreline conservation, waste recycling, and land-use planning in his own state. Evans and McCall were a pair for their time.
As I reflected on Dan Evans’ life, nostalgia, the tempter, did not lead me astray.
This time nostalgia was right on the mark. Some of the good times we remember were real.
@Ken Winkes: Thanks for reminding us that at one time, there were plenty of honorable Republicans around, and some of them had good ideas about the ways government could improve the lives of ordinary Americans.
Voting
"For First Time in 20 Years, Purdue Won’t Have Election Day Polling Place on Campus
Purdue University in Indiana will not have an Election Day polling place this year. The Tippecanoe County Election Board decided not to hold one, even though the campus has had one during the last four presidential elections."
Quite the family.
"Musk posted the following statement to his account on X, formerly called Twitter.
"Super important to get all your friends and family to register to vote," Musk wrote. "Georgia’s registration deadline is Monday!!"
Musk's own mother, Maye Musk, took that comment even further:
"The Democrats have given us another option. You don’t have to register to vote," she wrote Saturday. "On Election Day, have 10 fake names, go to 10 polling booths and vote 10 times. That’s 100 votes, and it’s not illegal. Maybe we should work the system too.""
Cue the "it was just a joke" defense in 3,2,1...
Breaking News: Jesus just confirmed his endorsement of Kamala Harris for President. Jesus said Kamala Harris's policies more closely align with his beliefs and teachings and that he would never support the Anti-Christ. Jesus was sad to to see how many people will be left behind, particularly after his father had made such vast amounts of information available people to find the truth. Also he wanted to clarify that any pictures of him and Trump were all fake. They were AI created frauds, but seeing how many frauds the Anti-Christ has committed Jesus thought that should be obvious to any viewer along with their poor quality and poor taste.
*@Marie: CBS assured me that there would be no fact checking on this post. ;)
Maye Musk and Elon Musk. Like mother, like son.
It's definitely genetic.
These people are scary.
@ForrestMorris
Nature or Nurture?
Both mother and son Musk are products of South Africa. Maybe both left there for a reason.
Forrest,
The St. Bernard pot roast sounds pretty good. Maybe some Kiiten Soup to start things off.
"American food: The 20 greatest dishes"
I get clips on my YouTube feed from a site called Forbes Breaking News. I don't know if this organization has any relationship with Forbes magazine, but they are certainly appropriately named, in that they are doing their best to break the factual news environment. The latest clip has Shady at a campaign rally, complaining that the current administration gave "illegals" lots of money in the covid relief package but they are only giving storm victims $750. No context, no clarification that the $750 is an immediate starter kit, not the end, and it is up from $500 during the former administration.
The googles say the site is "owned by Hong Kong based investment group Integrated Whale Media Investments since 2014. Its chairman and editor-in-chief is Steve Forbes, and its CEO is Mike Federle."
How does Kamala and her campaign staff handle the avalanche of lies being fed to the incredibly stupid and uninformed rabble by the entirely unbelievable "candidates" on the other side?
This is making me positively hate all of them.
@NiskyGuy: I don't know if it was Trump or Vance who first came up with the $750 story, but it's bunk. Here's a CNN report on "Six Days of Trump Lies about the Hurricane Helene Response."
Trump said at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania Saturday: " “They’re offering them $750, to people whose homes have been washed away. And yet we send tens of billions of dollars to foreign countries that most people have never heard of. They’re offering them $750. They’ve been destroyed, these people have been destroyed. Think of it: We give foreign countries hundreds of billions of dollars and we’re handing North Carolina $750.”
CNN sez: "As FEMA explained earlier in the week on social media and on a web page it created to combat misinformation about the response, $750 is merely the immediate, upfront aid survivors can get to cover basic, pressing needs like food, water, baby formula and emergency supplies. Survivors are also eligible to apply for additional forms of assistance, such as to pay for temporary housing and home repairs, that can be worth thousands of dollars; the current maximum amount for home repair assistance, for example, is $42,500." And more.
FEMA's "Rumor Response" page, which I linked earlier in the body of a story is here. Here is the URL:
https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response
The worst part of these Trumpian hurricane lies are the effects they have on people who need & would qualify for FEMA assistance. If they believe Trump & Vance and get their $750, thinking it's the maximum payout, then they likely won't apply for all the other help that's available. If that were happening only to MAGAts, I'd be sorry but not as sorry as I am that others will hear these Trumpian tall tales from sources they consider reliable and miss out on relief that is available to them.
Now that I understand Trump's & JayDee's blatant lying as a propaganda tactic first identified by Hitler -- rather than as merely the result of stupid or closed-loop crap-sharing -- I despise those two sleazebags even more. And I didn't think that was possible.
@Marie: Yes to all that, I undersold that point with "...starter kit, not the end..." And yes, t**** and Shady are getting worse by the moment.
Somehow I had thought that Forbes was a reasonably respectable outfit, albeit geared towards the well-off and above. These videos I keep seeing with their name as the source put them in solid MAGA misinformation land.
Fatty and Shady are right about one thing. We do have dangerous immigrants in this country who are trying to destroy the nation and have taken advantage of our freedoms:
Elon and Maye Musk.
Throw them out.
When I left the house after writing what I did, daughter told me it has been going on all weekend: the lies and gaslighting and the sheer nerve they have to misconstrue what they are hearing from the rabble and the rabble-rousers-- I guess it is far worse than I thought as I gave myself a brief exodus from the terrorist behavior of the highest level of their organization. Vance must be the worst, as he is not demented, as far as I can tell, but is guilty of telling people lies in a reasonable manner, which is worse. Dumb*** doesn't know most if not all of this is lying-- once something idiotic comes out of his crumbled brain through his nasty, self-satisfied mouth, he deposits it into his "memory bank" as "truth" and out it comes again and again. The one who is completely all in with the lies and he knows they are lies, is the multi-talented Whatever in the hell he is named now-- They should both be committed-- different cells, different institutions. Along with most of the maggoty MAGAts, who are scum of a different sort. Also along with "friends" with no standards, like Lindsey Graham. We are surrounded by totally evil people, whose plans are right there to read. Honest to god. They are horrible and deserve every bit of everything thrown at them all. And we all have stomach problems as a result of life in the US in October of 2024...